In three separate studies, one in the Midwest, one in CA and one in Canada, separated by 30 years, men were asked, “If you could force a woman to have sex with you, and you knew you wouldn’t get caught, would you do it.?” Consistently, over 30% of the participants said “Yes.” Then they were asked, “If you could rape a woman, knowing you could get away with it, would you do it?” The number of “Yes” responses dropped to approximately 13%. Obviously, 17% of the participants had no idea they were simply being asked the same question a different way.
Why so many words for “rape?”
Today, states have adopted a variety of words for “rape” in order to get the defilement of non-consensual sex across to their populations…. sexual assault, sexual battery, sexual misconduct, etc. They seem to be throwing the baby out with the bath water; however, because the public doesn’t grasp that it’s all the same horrid defilement of sexual sanctity….. just using different words. I even saw a recent argument that Brock Turner didn’t rape the woman, he “only” sexually assaulted her….. so his punishment shouldn’t be so harsh!
Consent. Do we really need to say more?
The principle premise for all sex crimes, no matter what you call them, is lack of consent. And a great many folks don’t really know what “consent” means. It doesn’t mean that you nodded your head and said “yes” when someone tricked you into doing so. Nor does it mean that you didn’t object because you were too incapacitated at the time, or froze because you were terrorized.
Most folks, including legislators and police officers don’t clearly understand that there’s a cavernous gap between “assenting” and “consenting” to sex. When you nod you head, “yes,” if the person has tricked you, drugged you, intoxicated you, or pursued sex with you upon finding you in those conditions – or unconscious – they know full well that you’re not “consenting” to sex.
Violence is an aggressive, aggravated form of rape, which deserves the utmost penalty. But there are quiet, insidious, covert forms of rape as well. All should be punished. Consent means that you are fully knowledgeable, informed and voluntarily cooperating. Model Penal Code distinctly tells us that consent that is “tricked” from us is not “voluntary.” Any sex act performed without consent is a crime.
Not all sex crimes can be prosecuted; not because they didn’t happen, but because there is insufficient proof for a conviction. But whether there is or is not a sufficient body of proof to try the case, the offender committed a criminal act and knows that they did so. Our penal codes in every state should be consistent in dealing with and prosecuting sexual defilement.
Nazi Germany and Consent
The Nuremberg Trials from World War II gave us a clear understanding of what “consent” truly means. I have included the explanation in (soon-to-be-released) Combating Romance Scams, Why Lying to Get Laid Is a Crime! What follows is how “consent” should be explained by the penal codes of every state. This explanation has been adapted directly from the Nuremberg Code appearing in Federal regulation that was established due to medical experiments conducted on concentration camp prisoners. It guides our knowledge of both “assent” and “consent” today.
Assent – Superficial agreement which is given “on the face of it.” Assent provides acquiescence and compliance, but lacks the characteristics of being informed and knowledgeable about the action taking place. Example:, a child who is not yet the age of “reason” can only provide “assent,” but their parents are required to provide “consent” on their behalf.
Consent – A person providing consent must have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the sexual partner and action taking place to enable her or him to make an understood and enlightened decision.
Brock Turner’s father showed us exactly why Brock Turner is a sex offender!
Dan Turner, Brock’s father, never taught his son the defilement of rape because he failed to understand it himself. He wrote to the judge to request leniency for his son who was convicted of sexually assaulting an unconscious woman.
- His minimization of the harm the victim endured in his statement that his son shouldn’t have to go to prison “for 20 minutes of action,” reflects a grossly flawed misconception about the impacts of violating a person’s sexual sanctity.
- He also stated: “He has no prior criminal history and has never been violent to anyone including his actions on the night of Jan 17th 2015.” Somehow, in Mr. Turner’s eyes, violence is the only harm one person can inflict on another. Defiling a person by touching their genitals without their permission is inconsequential to him. I wonder what he’d say if this happened to his daughter.
An absurd statement also came from Brock Turner’s long-time friend, Leslie Rasmussen, drummer for the band, Good English. “Rape on campus isn’t always because people are rapists,” she said. She expressed concern that alcohol changed people’s behaviors and made them do things they otherwise would not do. Perhaps Brock Turner’s case can serve as a warning to college students who think drinking and partying are benign behaviors…. just fun and “normal” entertainment.
When it comes to sex, every human being on the planet is responsible to only engage with people they haven’t tricked, overwhelmed, or taken advantage of. What is so hard to understand about that? People who do so are, in fact, rapists. A person’s life can change in an instant when they lose control of themselves and harm others while in that condition. That’s why drunks who kill people in DUIs go to jail. People who rape in that condition should go to jail as well.
For further details about the law that should be enacted in every state to properly identify the difference between “assenting” and “consenting” to sex, be sure to read Combating Romance Scams, Why Lying to Get Laid Is a Crime! when it’s released in July. Register for your copy by clicking this link. There’s no obligation and you may actually win a FREE Kindle Fire by doing so!
“In three separate studies, one in the Midwest, one in CA and one in Canada, separated by 30 years, men were asked, “If you could force a woman to have sex with you, and you knew you wouldn’t get caught, would you do it.?”
Consistently, over 30% of the participants said “Yes.”
CITATIONS NEEDED.
After looking into this it turns out that the numbers come from “Denying Rape but Endorsing Forceful Intercourse: Exploring Differences Among Responders”
But how did they arrive at those numbers?
73 male students were used all heterosexual with prior sexual experience.
So already a absurdly small sample size.
However the survey concluded with part of the “attraction to sexual aggression scale” (malmuth 1989a,b).
So firstly:
The malmouth scale was a 0-100 scale and transposed that to a 1 to 5 answer scale with 1 being “not at all” and 5 being “Very likely”.
THEN the Edwards study altered that to a simple “yes or no” with anything but a 1 being a “yes”. VERY DISHONEST considering on a scale like that 3 is typically tends to be neutral or indifferent and 2 is a negative.
And the question specifies “FORCING A FEMALE TO DO SOMETHING SHE DID NOT WANT TO DO”.
Yet in the Edwards study they added the word “SEXUAL” so it reads “FORCING A FEMALE TO DO SOMETHING “SEXUAL” SHE DID NOT WANT TO DO” and used the same numbers.
VERY VERY DISHONEST.
So it is not only far from a separate study but the author changed a very open question regarding the use of force and changed the meaning so it looks like it was about something sexual being forced.
“Then they were asked, “If you could rape a woman, knowing you could get away with it, would you do it?” The number of “Yes” responses dropped to approximately 13%. ”
NOPE.
The question regarding rape had 1.7% reply with a 5 (very likely) and 4.9% with a 4 (fairly likely), 5.6% its still only a total of 6.6%.
“Obviously, 17% of the participants had no idea they were simply being asked the same question using different wording.”
BECAUSE IT WAS NOT THE SAME QUESTION!!!!
“FORCING A FEMALE TO DO SOMETHING SHE DID NOT WANT TO DO”.
Was the original question.
It was altered in the second paper that cited it to “FORCING A FEMALE TO DO SOMETHING “SEXUAL” SHE DID NOT WANT TO DO”.
So a bullshit study intentionally mis-citing and altering other studies in order to push the feminist “victim narrative” crap.
The study you’re referring to was one of three. This link may clear up the issue for you. Whether sexism is “hostile” or “benevolent,” it’s still sexism. I doubt that most women would go along with your finding that an answer other than “not at all” is acceptable.
Present the other two then.
The clear manipulation of data in the study is the issue here and that link reinforces it.
Adding the word “sexual” to the question after the fact while posting the numbers gained when it was not present is typical of feminists.
And you know that paper you linked cites that misandric filth Mary Koss who insists on a definition of rape that conceals the incidence of female-on-male rape.
I was held down by a gang of both men and women, tortured and raped for hours on end but have no real idea exactly how many hours due to the continual agony i was in.
Every post on this site i have seen is about men deceiving and uses that perspective, that along with using such dishonest studies shows a clear pattern very familiar among feminist groups.
As a victim of rape I want to say that whatever consequences he or his father think will cause him a lifetime of grief, the rape he committed will cause his victim ten times more emotional pain. There is not a day I don’t think about being raped or am reminded of the scars I have and will have to live with the rest of my life. My rapist will never experience that pain. Great article as always Joyce.
Here is a link to the letter the victim read in court – it’s powerful! https://www.buzzfeed.com/katiejmbaker/heres-the-powerful-letter-the-stanford-victim-read-to-her-ra?utm_term=.qrKK3omZG&utm_content=buffer098df&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer#.abBBlJV2X
Thanks again Joyce for you thoughtful post. I have nothing but the deepest admiration for you resolute mission. You inspire me; you stimulate my mind; you continue to validate the shameful experiences that silence victims. You are a trail blazer regarding this issue and I pay homage to you and your quest! Thank you for being you and don’t let the naysayers deter your cause!!!
Kat
😉 Thanks Kat! You made my day!